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DU2X
Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Posts: 3 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| actually steve... i think with the massive amount of gear/software out there today and the current state of the economy some of us may be in the negative range... haha recession ftw! |
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res-q
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 41 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Producer A: I produced a new album
Producer B: Cool, how much have you sold ?
Producer A: Not much, just my car, my refrigerator and my tv set
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spl
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| You should quit giving people advice until you get a clue and understand what makes a good dance track a good dance track. |
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solair

Joined: 04 Aug 2009 Posts: 11 Location: SWE
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: ESSENTIAL INFORMATION FOR AMATURE DANCE PRODUCERS |
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I hate it when I come across threads and chatrooms
and see that people are saying stupid shit like FL Studio is better than
Cubase and Logic id better than Cubase and so on and so on....
First off, FL Studio is only a STEPPING STONE into the world of
what a sequencer does and a small insight into what a sequencer is,,
if you think sticking with FL Studio is going to make you big then think again lads / ladies.
FL Studio is nothing more than an overrated toy for dreamers thats that !!
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You just pretty much did the same thing yourself. Only saying the others are better than FL Studio. In some cases, they probably are. But what exactly makes it an overrated "toy"?? Sure, the built in synths and effects you get might not be the very best, but that's why it supports VST.
Don't think that just because you have Logic, you'll automatically make great music. You can still be a crappy producer!
I've heard really great tracks done in FastTracker 2 and similar simple software, but it's been done by excellent producers.
http://flstudio.image-line.com/documents/powerusers.html
I'm sure there quite a lot more known producers out there, using FLS or has used. _________________ /Matt |
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Waza
Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 69 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:53 am Post subject: |
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To the Op yes this is your opinion on Each Daw, but believe me in saying you can make very good music on any Daw. Even Fruity Loops there are big name producers who use this.
It's knowing what your doing with your Daw that matters, to get the best out of it. |
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travelingproducer
Joined: 12 Oct 2009 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:46 am Post subject: |
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I've been reading the forums for a while now, and decided to give a couple of pennies. Just a forewarning, this is my humble opinion, and is not meant to offend anyone.
Personally, I think production and composition need to evoke emotion. Whether it be music that represents something previously felt, or an energetic piece that you would like to spread on the floor like a wildfire. Understanding music theory is important. However, as Steve wisely pointed out, the rules are there to be broken. Learn the theory, but try and keep in mind how the transition from one chord to another or how a melodic riff emotionally effects YOU. I think Herbie Hancock once said "Learn as much theory as you can. Then, forget it all and play" or something along those lines. Inspiring and invoking the emotions of listeners is, and always will be, my goal as a producer. Mentioning production . . .
Too much time CAN be spent on the technological side of production. Research is always key in purchasing the right item - whether it be a synthesizer, plug-in, hardware, speakers, D.A.W., etc. Nevertheless, owning a specific list or obtaining every plug-in you can may slow down creative process (eventually hindering it). I own the U-He plug-in bundle, Zebra, Ace, Komplete Synths (Massive, FM8, Pro 53, and Absynth 4 upgraded to 5), Battery 3, Sylenth, and use Logic as my host. My methodology behind learning synthesis is to concentrate on creating everything from percussion to leads and pads on a single synthesizer. When I am comfortable and fluent with that synthesizer, I moved to the next. Are they the most expensive plug-ins? No, not by a long shot. That being said, a producer only needs a brush, paint, and a canvas to paint a masterpiece. So what if FL Studio is a basic D.A.W.? Creativity is usually not limited by technology.
Apologies for the ADD message. To summarize; music and emotion seem synonymous (always keep that in mind), work with what you have, research what might give you creativity a wider color palette, and listen to the veterans. They are considered veterans for a reason. |
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Steve Helstrip Site Admin

Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 420 Location: York (UK)
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| Wise words, travelling producer! |
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Dezacrator

Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 12 Location: United States
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| Steve Helstrip wrote: | Music theory can also hold you back... Many times I've hit on magical ideas, which my music training taught me to steer away from. Listen to Sander Van Doorn; you wouldn't have caught Bach or Mozart making music like that! The rules are there to be broken!
At the end of the day, it's not the tools you use, but the way you use them. Most of all, use your ears. If it sound good, then it probably is. End of.
I see what DJ Johnny is driving at, and yes all those nice toys will help if you've got the right ideas. But, there are other ways to achieve the goal.
Now go an make some music! |
Hi Steve,
Totally agree! Theory is guideline, a foundation. But, also like a manual and or instructions. These instructions are not dynamic, they do not adapt nor change rules that would always apply to modern music. Dance music is about breaking such rules, allowing the artist creative freedom to break barriers, sonic textures to make unique patches.
I made a decision early on in my music career to put the theory books down. Felt I had someone one telling me what I could do and what wasn't allowed in my compositions.
-Dezacrator
SFX - Audio Designs |
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davyh
Joined: 22 Sep 2008 Posts: 5
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| djjohnny2108 wrote: | Yes mate I understand where your coming from but
I feel that the creativity in producing dance music espically
has been throwin out the window.
Too many people,, amatures and even some
pros are relying far too much on these candy sounds
which are being overused far too much.
Stated by Tiesto, John 00 Fleming and many others see link >>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytlCbpql5xE
There may be no rule book for making dance music Steve, but
having knowledge and understanding of music and how music works
will of course help people be more creative in their productions.
You yourself should know this as being an amazing Dj & Producer
and one of my fav Trance producers that creating music on a
professional level takes more than a cheap VST and sequencer.
Many youngsters coming into the industry are not knowing what
to buy because nobody will give the truthfull inforamtion on what it takes
to become a producer of any genre,, many see that having Logic studio
will better there chances,, so then we have these young people going
out buying £0000 Mac pros and an so on wasting all their money on crap
because they think if you or Armin, PVD, ATB, Sander.... has logic then it must be good which its not !!
The fact is that if you do not have any MUSICAL THEORY experience and
cant play a piano on nearly a professional level then you will never
be able to structure and a Track,, understand technical issues and improvise on them or even make a melody for your track or construct a bassline !!
And yes Im a strong believer in creativity Steve !!
In my mind VST's and candy presets has been the reason why
the Trance industry has went to s**t over the last few years,
And why then hell is every Track the same ????
same sound presets are being used over and over agian
When I go onto buy Trance mp3's I almost think im downloading
the same tune 10 times as they all sound the bloody same WTF ????
I honestly think Trance died along time ago and I think
thats why im soo annoyed over all this !!
When I listened to trance from around 1998 - 2004 it made me feel like
I was in a trance myself, hench the name,, it was like being on drugs without actually taking drugs, thats how powerful this music was back then
Todays trance doesn't do anything for me,, I mostly listen to Anthem Trance or Hard Trance to try and get that buzz back that I got from trance but its never going to be the same  |
Just noticed this here. I think you are absolutely wrong in your saying about you need hardware to make great music. Making great music comes from practice and talent and i am saying this as someone who has most of the hardware that you are talking about. It is about knowing your tools inside out and how to create the sound you are after.
You could have all the hardware in the world and still come out with something that sounds crap. Look at the likes of Daniel Kandi who produced all of his earlier tracks on reason alone and steve as he has already mentioned uses mostly vst instruments. Hardware doesn't make
great tunes, practice, presistence and passion make great tunes. |
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withandi
Joined: 26 Jun 2011 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:24 pm Post subject: Right |
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Most of synths have based on - waveforms - tada:)
So no matter what synth You use if you don't know how to shape the sound itself.Cubease ,logic ,ableton ,fl,pro tools - are only what last part of last have in name "TOOLS".Nothing less,nothing more.Only the way you use them make them productive or crapy.
So maybe do yourself a favour - learn as much you can about sythesis and production etc. "ONLY" to achieve short term goals (better sounding drums).
The most important tool on world you alredy have - ears.
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